Log in or register to post comments. Note however there is potentially contradictory information come to light on manufacture of promo jackets. The brown and green show E prefixed ones denote "ethnic" recordings and the examples below are Italian brown and Lithuanian green. Other etchings Though not documented as far as I have seen, Terre Haute appears to have used some sort of mother and stamper identifier — a T followed by an alpha — TA, TB, TC — probably mother A, mother B, or mother C, then a simple hand etched line counter for the stamper identifier, shown here below:. Notify me of new comments via email. THAT is the one to have. How would the rim print have looked?
However, that is incorrect according to Phil Brown, a Columbia Records cutting engineer who recently contacted analogPlanet. I saw a lot of -2, never saw a In other, more common systems the -2 would be an RE Interestingly, you can read detailed descriptions of this album and its recorded history, for instance this one on Wikipedia , yet it does not reference the substituted take on the later pressing. That is how it was done at EMI for instance. All the majors sent 2 sets to each plant. The reason is that it saved time if they lost one and we were always up against release schedules. We would sometimes at Columbia and later almost always at Warners have one plant do the plating for everybody. This is central plating. At Columbia it was almost always Santa Maria because they had the newest-and best-plating operation. The masters would still carry the dash number for the plant doing the pressing. Central plating generated the mothers that the plants would then pull stampers from. At Warners they bought Sheffield Plating which did plating for all the plants. Perhaps by then mono was in decline and a single lacquer sufficed, but it doesn't explain why the 1A went to Indiana.
Return to : Columbia Columbia record label dating Overview. Skip to : Columbia Matrix Codes. Last Update: April 13, — Additional evidence on cover manufacture for Columbia.
No, really. Not deep groove. The matrix confirms the cutting source as tape mix 1. Many labelographies omit the CBS-overprint edition. Two-Eye sound quality remains very much up there with the best, at least US pressings. Interestingly, deep groove. That variant was used from early to about spring Maybe I can help with another album or albums : LEFT: though this label design variant had been in use since c. April to October ; 80?
Gloss paper, PMS Red; copies pressed in Oct-Nov had this very design variant on uncoated stock with the tomato red You will see subtle differences in the spacing below especially. Initially the degree logo used black type. Inthe print on both mono and stereo copies was changed to white, and white arrows were added to the stereo logo. The degree sound was used for both mono and stereo editions up untilwhen it was dropped from Mono, columbia record label dating after someone asked the obvious question: how does Mono produce degrees of sound?
Printed in U. The walking eye at the bottom was a new addition. This label had a life of probably twenty year or more, and there are some excellent pressings here, as well as some less than stellar transfers, depending on title and over the decades. Columbia sent master cuttings for local manufacture to each of their plants, divas cuddle kit which one, by definition, was the first cutting.
The stereo titles are a particularly nice addition to any collection. How many Columbia engineers does it take to change a light bulb? Eight apparently, or nine if you include the eponymous Bernie Grundman. Junethe two-eyes were consigned solely to deep-catalogue releases, with the last stereo labels used up by fall — and mono two-eyes continuing to be used well into the spring of The Special Products service reissues classic recordings still on vinyl.
Examples below covering the period to At the bottom right corner of Columbia back covers is usually a number. According to the eponymous WB source, these identify the following LP cover manufacturers:. Columbia owned pressing plantswith co-located metal parts and plating companies, at East, West and Central US locations.
The manufacture of jackets seems to have been delegated to specialist local print and packaging companies. Beatles fanatic have come up with this web page map. Apparently, 2 and 3 were associated with Scranton pressings, with 5 and 6 associated with L. But the numbers themselves were related more to the jacket fabricators. For many years after that point, Columbia-pressed copies of LP covers with black-and-white print on the back had the following symbols on the lower right-hand side thereof: a heart shape either black or light grey for Pitman, N.
Hi I have a copy of Kind of Blue, 2 eyes, Stereo Sound, White letters, without the nonunbreakable word under the the code on the label. The only lead I have is the sleeve with many records frombut that can be from another album. Is there any way to define the date of released of this copy? How would the rim print have looked? Cherry Tomato I this web page say. Thanks for the answer! Comparing this labels and with the information you give me, it looks like it is from the second variant.
From April to Octobergreat explanation! Thanks again! Columbia record label dating six eye label started out aroundinitially deep groove. By the end inbefore the CBS overprint, the deep groove dies had largely been replaced with regular flat dies. Same happened with other plants like Plastylite — I guess it was an industry-wide manufacturing thing. I have one where they actually pressed in a deep groove. I find the dimension of 2. You could not even measure that unless you used something like interferometry.
Also there is no way one could even get a circle stamped on vinyl of that accuracy. I think this is off by at least a factor of 1, most probably by 10, for the significant digit. I thoroughly enjoyed reading this Columbia Label Cheat Sheet. I love this recording and columbia record label dating originally drawn to the cover art featuring a plate of ribs, greens and beans spread out on a table cloth covered table.
Both albums have their clear and unique differences but I also enjoyed the delightful similarities in sound and spirit influencing Jazz in For me this was a distraction form Blue Note and my first serious look at Columbia.
As usual I am deeply grateful for all of the work you kindly share with the vinyl loving public! Not sure how different it would be sonically to the US version but sounds pretty darned good to my ears. Many vintage Canadian Columbias were made from the same metal parts as US copies so they should sound nearly identical.
Andrew,Hope this arrives safely. It should be high resolution and suitable for reproduction on your cheat sheet.
About to hundred albums. Some not open and some in poor shape. I apologize for intruding as a inexperienced reader but need help learning, as I always loved and still love all types of quality musical sound. LastI will share the story of how I acquired them if I am not asked to excuse myself visit web page this discussion. Thank you. Very interesting reading. I am new to this forum and need help. I have many old albums.
I am trying to learn about their quality and age. For example, a 2 eyed dark grey, Columbia masterworks album by Igor Stravinsky conducts From what I reviewed above, would this fall into the category of quality sound prior to Columbia Columbia newer labels?
I am ignorant to all this terminology and want to make sure I put this huge collection I acquired into the right hands for the right price. Anyone able to help me? As regards columbia record label dating, likewise, but I am sure Read article will give you the best take on auction prices.
I should add that this site is strictly non-commercial, and does not support buying and selling of records. Thank you Sir, I will keep all future discussion columbia record label dating towards topics at hand and further the conversations in the future in regards to any and all Jazz I discover in my collection along with the great enjoyment of my opinion in the sound quality I discover.
Hopefully I have a good ear. I never cease to be in awe of your insights, WB. Absolutely amazing, it is like you looked at my collection and understand what I needed to learn while maintaining the point of view relating to quality of sound for different genres of music but keeping the topic relating to jazz focused, while going above and beyond to give me and others a center point of reference that we can agree or disagree with if we actually take the time to listen to any and or all click here in our collection that meets the specific criteria set forth above.
Inspiration you have given, I can not wait to be able to figure out the best devices to use and purchase to listen to my jazz and other albums from the period. Time to study my albums, one question? Where do I buy the crystal ball? Thank you! I forgot to say, finding this great group I have learned more in 24 hours then I can thk you all for.
When I find the 6 eyed or 2 eyed or any jazz in my collection I recently acquired, I will be excited to discuss them and the sound I feel once I can listen to them. Again, thk you W. Good day. Ok, so true to my word, I have located my first Jazz album. Below I reviewed the discussion about Mingus. Produced by Teo Macero. Digital Master Prepared by Geo and bart dating Macero.
Engineered by Ray Moore. Both sides have the name of the songs on that side and are labeled, 1 or 2. I forgot to mention, side 1 and 2, not a or b and ALB space E space G1 or 61 also has A9 inscribed on the album side 1 and BLA space E space 61 columbia record label dating 2 does not have A9 inscribed on the album with these other letters and numbers.
I hope I am making sense. Thanks again. The original cat. Thank you, I realized this as well after little research and apologize for the posting without first seeking to find the answer prior to the post. It probably gave you a chuckle, the digital part that is.